I want off Qualcomm’s wild ride.
Links with more info and references:
– Arrow product page for Dev Kit:
– ALL my test data:
– Full teardown blog post:
– Blog post explaining the saga of buying a unit:
– Alex’s video about the same:
– LTT video on using CoPilot laptops for a month:
– DigiTimes Asia article on slow sales:
– TWiT podcast speculating HDMI caused delays:
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Contents:
00:00 – Delays for devs
02:02 – CoPilot+ failure to launch
04:10 – Unboxing the Dev Kit
05:20 – Teardown and internals
07:00 – Getting to the X Elite
08:21 – Windows 11 Home
08:48 – Fan noise
09:21 – Benchmarks and power consumption
10:08 – Small bugs and updates for days
10:48 – Firefox, Edge, and GPU acceleration
11:04 – Linux when?
12:08 – Microsoft must do this
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That's really too bad. It really needs Windows Pro or Linux, why would you buy an arm-based system otherwise? Mom & Pop are just going to buy whatever's cheap, so leave that to the low-end intel chips; it's us geeks who are going to buy arm.
You had me at 'Developer Discord'. A wonderful, non web-searchable proprietary, independent, service that requires a separate account and needs to be working in order to get assistance with this newly released hardware by Microsoft?!
It would be funny if you soldered a hdmi port on that little daughterboard and it works
I yearn for a Linux ARM PC and laptop?
Can this chip use the CAMM2 standard and offer upgradable RAM?
Why does Google keep saying these vids from a few days ago just got uploaded?
I really want to see ChromeOS running on one of these
Windows on ARM is a BIG disappointment. I had so many hopes after the announcement of the X ELite chips. I also thought Microsoft and Qualcomm would really move forward and constantly deliver new updates to improve performance.
Wrong! Even after 3 months, I still had the same problems as at the beginning. In the end, I sold my Surface Laptop 7 with X Elite and ordered a notebook with Intel LunarLake.
Didja know, HDMI requires you pay a licensing fee?
Wonder if that's why they dropped that.
nice action retro shirt
8:02 ISWYDT "You put too much paste on that cpu!" 😀
this is a sad sad dev kit
By any chance Intel gave money to Microsoft to slow os development on arm?
Please run the exo-explore/exo it's a cluster for LLM. Alex did a video trying to use old macbooks, "Using Clusters to Boost LLMs"
No support VGA
Great video and thank you for all the effort. How hard would it be for RaspberryPI to release a Mac mini type device based on the compute module 5. Doesn't seem like that far a leap from where they are now. Yes, performance won't be mind blowing, but RPi5 is not too bad if you have NVMe storage and a proper graphics card with that supports acceleration in Linux.
Windows has been full of issues for more than a decade now as it is. The constant security reminders, the daily to hourly updates, even the user interface is a bit over done. When they changed over to the Xbox style desktop and interface is when I lost interest and went to my MacBooks.
So strange how Microsoft and Qualcomm are fumbling this so hard, it's like they've given up already.
I use a Dell snapdragon for work , I work in IT. I love it, the battery is infinite, everything that I need works and company software runs too. I'm not sure why Linus complaints about it :/
That Microsoft cannot pull off a decent product launch boggles the mind, are they so out of touch with reality? Probably ye
I gotta to be honest. I want to see Windows ARM to thrive. But the issue with it is the lack of accessible hardware like you mentioned and affordable hardware.
The lack of accessible and affordable device means developers won't really bother with the platform. What does that mean? Less software support for the platform. Less software support for the platform means less consumee interest with the hardware, which means less production, and so on. It's a chicken and egg problem.
I used to think maybe I should get Windows ARM device someday. However, after seeing how messed up their dedication to the platform is, I might just get Raspberry Pi 5. It's ARM, it's 10x cheaper than Windows ARM laptop sold here (yes, 10 times cheaper), and it's quite performant. The downside is it can't run Windows ARM natively but eh it's ARM.
If it can't be sold it must be valuable. Wink, wink 😉
Why is no one using arch arm or genntoo or something on these boxes.
Snapdragon fail
the fact that the sd card slot is still marked "tf" is funny to me
a compact arm powered desktop pc like this would be awesome 😀
would be awesome 😐
would be awesome 🙁
ARM doesn't scale as well with power. The Devkit probably scores 15000 multi in Geekbench at 40 watts + its about 10-15% faster on Linux although we'll have to wait a few months for that. It's just that they're pushing it to the absolute limit which I'm honestly fine with. It's faster than the M3 Pro Mac Mini while being 400$ cheaper for the same ram storage configuration. Not taking the price into account in kinda hypocritical, given Qualcomm can make 3nm chips for a 3000-4000$ machine but they aren't cause it doesn't make sense. Its 20% slower than the studio in CPU at 1/4 the price. The technical insight was excellent however
The only think I really want to know is can I run Linux on it… 😉
OK. So, Qualcomm failed with the Snapdragon. Perhaps it will do better with another CPU in the future.