Why is the nature of supplying a power unit today in Formula 1 so different to before? Also who would have thought Alpine would cancel their engine program and switch to Mercedes?
Well, lets look at the decline of F1 engine suppliers…
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Let's hear your favourite engine supplier – Past or Present!
They fucked up in 2021, Alpine has nothing to do in the sport, they should keep their original name, livery and engine
The ilmor that made engines for f1 is still building f1 engines Mercedes just bought them and changed the name
When I tuned in it was ford (and cosworth), Honda, Mugen, Hart, Renault, Ferrari, and I probably forgot couple. Plus almost immediately Peugeot tuned in. BMW, Toyota and some. Not even mentioning number of engine suppliers in what now known as Wec. These days? Two and a half engine suppliers. Plus something named ford out of failed Honda attempt.
And two engine suppliers in Wec.
Wow. So fascinating!
I used to machine billet cranks for a living and made parts for Brian Hart, the last privateer engine supplier.
He was a great bloke and it was sad to see his business being swallowed up by TWR.
I hate all these rule changes.
They should fix them with 3L V10's, no wings, big tyres.
Didn't Renault push for the 1.6 litre hybrid engines in the first place? Threatening to pull out from the sport if those demands weren't met?
So they forced through a regulation change, then failed with their interpretation of said regulations and now are just scrapping the whole lot. Can't say I will miss Renault too much seeing as they made their own bed.
You can’t recycle petrol. Muppet.
Gold find. Balanced views brother!
Interesting that an English guy thinks that the garagista model is the good old days, I have no interest or respect for a team that doesn’t make the whole car!
They are talking about cost cutting for years, but yet forcing most expensive and most complicated hybrid engines that nobody likes and nobody wanted in first place
Loving the Iron Maiden and Taylor Swift comparison as an Iron Maiden fan.
Hoepfully FIA can have exact engine regulations for 2030 early enough and allow V10 comeback with synthetic fuel. Renault and BMW know very well how to make those :v
Where are those cheap and simple engines gone??
F1 no longer gives the return of investment the manufacturers wanted to compared to say the Hypercars used in the World Endurance Championship – in WEC there's a manufacturers gallore and currently the top class is going from strength to strength with Toyota, Porsche, Stellantis/Peugeot, GM/Cadillac, Ferrari, Lamborghini (though it's reportetly on the rocks), BMW, Aston Martin and…Alpine involved through either the ACO's LMH or IMSA's LMDh regulations.
Meanwhile the complete reverse of that is happening in WEC/IMSA with Hypercar/GTP.
Love it or hate it, BoP (alongside far lower cost compared to LMP1) attract manufacturers who are coming in with their own tech.
Engine configuration? So many variations..
Twin Turbo V6 Hybrid, Twin Turbo V8 Hybrid, NA V8 Hybrid, NA V12 Non-Hybrid, Twin Turbo V8 Non-Hybrid, etc
Not to mention even the engine capacity is different between manufacturers with similar configurations so you do have quite a different sound coming out of them as well.
Maybe something similar is what F1 really needs.. At the end of the day, the costs of running an F1 program is so astronomically high which limits the amount of manufacturers willing to enter.
Remember, it was Renault that was the biggest force behind dumping v8 n.a. and switching to hybrids. Renault actually pushed for v4 hybrid and thank God ferrari vetoed it. We have hybrids because Renault threatened to leave the sport if we didn't and now they are the first to pull the plug? Fu*k you renault
Racist
Ah now… one out (Renault), two in (RBPT/Ford, Audi) doesn't exactly constitute a "decline".
The new Godfather of Renault/Alpine clearly has a plan. Flavio deemed the 2026 F1 engine project cr@p, not competitive… so he sent 'em packing. Why not resort to a cheaper and readily available alternative? Get over the next engine cycle while exploring new avenues. Hyundai's ambitions are no secret and with Cyril Abiteboul at the helm of their motorsport division I wouldn't rule out a future partnership with Renault. Or maybe Nissan…
But Renault no longer making F1 engines isn't exactly a doomsday scenario. They've lost their competitive edge some ten years ago… maybe taking a break to regroup isn't such a bad idea at all.
The freeze on engine development the last few seasons meant Renault had no way of 'turning it around'. Despite Renault consistently showing a deficit in HP to the other teams and arguing for an exception
As an electrical engineer who has built many kinds of hobby EVs, I’d love to get into Formula E. Here’s the question though… how? Even trying to watch live events requires some ridiculous TV package and their online streams often don’t work in your country. They could’ve just done the F1TV thing and just streamed it with the same infrastructure they already have, but of course they have stupid exclusivity deals that kills potential viewership. It’s a shame really, racing with EVs brings some really interesting race craft with it. And the engineering tends to update faster.
There too over complicated and to experience bring back the v12 screamers
honestly they need to open it up a little… Early 90's where you had V8's 10's and 12's really made for interesting options why not switch it up they can balance it with the electrical side of things.
You want a V12? sure but the power is limited to acceleration only upto say 120 MPH.
You want a 4 pot Turbo with 8 bar? sure but you only get electric aid past 120mph.
everyone gets a maximum fuel load of say 80L
but your big V12 may be more efficient so you only need 60L for a race
Yes it may up costs a little but you make it with rules such as a budget cap, like they have now… and if you are a Factory team you get an extra 5 days of testing – Yes that sounds crazy but it may make more teams try and lure in new engine deals making it so we get great engines back to F1 like the Subaru! (cough – Motori Moderni)
Imagine it! You get HAAS rolling up with a V12 Lambo Engine that has more power than god it's self but is as reliable as a British Rail….. it would be cool.
A Renault with a Mercedes engine? I’ve seen this before… welcome back Lotus Mercedes
time for a new championship. zero aero, mechanical grip only. the free choice of a drivetrain and let us see which power unit crosses the line first. F1? it is a chick thing.
Its not over for Audi. If Haas can turn its image around, they can too.
i wonder, if with that "choose your own engine supplier" idea, they could also have a similar system for the hybrid part, though i dunno how practical it'd be to make the two components interchangeable.
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Mercedes has previously supplied engines to the Enstone team. It was when that team was called Lotus. Viry -Chatillion gets now breeding space for their WEC entry. Those engines are being build by Mechachrome and are basically somewhat de-tuned F3 engines. Both cars DNFed with engine trouble at a quarter time at Le Mans, a big disgrace for the proud French Alpine. Peugeot on the other hand made big strides as another French competitor. The French civil car war has ignited again.
Variety in F1 would be great
Another thing is that manufacturers see the artificiality and don't want much if anything to do with it. I hate to bring up Abu Dhabi 2021 but it's the best example – would any brand have seen that and gone "yeah this is something we should invest in."? Sticking with the same theme, do these brands want to seen cuddling up to countries that most others wouldn't touch with a 10-foot pole?
F1's switch to hybrid powertrains in 2014 was likely to attract more manufacturers, but it hasn't truly hit that target until now. In 2014 Cosworth was priced out, then Honda joined a year later. It won't be until 2026 when Ford and Audi get involved that F1 will have actually gained manufacturers under the hybrid rules, and the entry of these new manufacturers is more down to F1's commercial boost in the post-DTS era than the hybrid engines.
I'm aware they're called Power Units or ICE's but can't stand the term. Cheers all and subscribe is you haven't already!