Linux Mint 22 upgrades the popular distribution’s base to Ubuntu 24.04, but not much else – for better or worse. Is it time for Mint to …
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My prediction is that Ubuntu 24.04 will be the last version of Ubuntu that Mint pulls from. My understanding is that removing Ubuntu's stuff is getting harder and harder so the switch may happen so that instead of removing stuff from Ubuntu, they add Ubuntu goodies to Debian. The final product would be the same, the effort would be less and maube they shift focus into other issues.
also you are right, they should move over to Debian Unstable edition as their base!
Hands down the best distro of all time! /s
I agree that a Debian base is the future, and I imagine the Mint developers believe that too. But I don't think they're being "oppositional defiant"; what I've seen, at least, is explanations about how and why they're going further from the Ubuntu base–and the reasons look pretty good, and are the result of a change in direction by Ubuntu (and Gnome). It's not like they're the only people who based their distribution on Ubuntu: they just care more about the details than most, and they are also very slow in their changes, which is why it is the reliable distro its users love. I guess the big problem with Debian is choosing whether to go with Stable, which is the obvious choice, but could result in Mint ending up being even more behind with the kernel than at the moment. I guess they're working on it.
I've just been through another cycle of distro hopping, looking for something for really old laptops. Still haven't found anything I prefer to Mint.
A full review in 8 minutes?🤔
Obviously there are 'under the hood' reasons for still using ubuntu which we don't know. However ubuntu seems to have better driver support than debian, a more recent kernel version, plus some tools developed by Canonical that don't exist in debian.
If you like Mint, simply try LMDE for a while instead… The majority of users will never notice a difference… And the more users that switch to LMDE, the more incentive they have to switch and make it the base version.
Unfortunately LM22 still has the same boring default wallpaper as always… 😢
The only problem I'm having with 22 is pinned apps on the taskbar. Open Thunderbird or Clementine and get another icon after the pinned apps. Probably a framework thing, Clem uses QT, I don't know what TB is using.
I love the boring Linux Mint. 😁 It just stays out of the way and lets me do whatever i have to do.
A healthy amount of disagreement in a team is not a bad thing. If they agree on everything that is not a team but an echo chamber, which is very bad……
I don't know what is holding them to make LMDE their standard.
I think what's really going on here when it comes to politics. It's not so much of biting the hand that feeds. It's more like, if mint was to let ubuntu go. You can say goodbye to HWE kernels as well as they stated that starting with mint 22, they will be following the ubuntu kernel releases as it happens. Switching to just LMDE to replace ubuntu will lead to a serious regression because of this, creating another issue of its own altogether. Not sure this would be wise for the Mint team to do. This is probably why mint would rather deal with the politics and all.
I tried the LDME version of Mint but didn't like it too much but it did inspire me to try Debian 12 nonetheless which is now my daily driver. I've not even bothered to try Ubuntu 24.04. Looking at the Ask Ubuntu site, 95% of problems/issues reported are with that version. Jay did an excellent job with his video on installing Debian 12 which I totally recommend. Made the job so easy and understandable.
If they could focus their entire efforts to making the Debian version, and dropped the Ubuntu version, i wonder what they could do with it… No doubt splitting your attention maintaining two separate versions takes up a lot of time and resources.
Hello, I updated my mint from version 21.3 to 22 yesterday
only linux mint 21.3 mate ubuntu version that I don't have issue playing 1920×1080 @30.00 FPS video using vlc. It play smooth unlike LMDE it stutter you need to configure Input/Codec on settings still not smooth after that. I use 10 year old acer laptop with 8gb ram
I use Linux Mint Debian Edition and it runs super smooth and very stable. Recently installed it on someone's old Lenovo T410S with Windows 7 on it. Everything works like a charm.
When I switched to debian12.6+kde, I realized what it meant to be really relaxed. Linuxmint had many rough edges, and it didn't support wayland yet. Giving up on it was the best choice.
After watching Chris Titus try adding Ubuntu based repos to Debian, I think that I know why Linux Mint keeps the Ubuntu Base. And the downgrades are because of the crap Gnome keeps pulling.
We Limux Mint people should help the Debian team out as well. 🤷♂️
I agree. I've been using mint for several years and it's my go-to distribution. But, there is nothing wrong with the Debian Mint and I would gladly switch to it and use it exclusively.
Unless, of course, I want to install Fedora on a drive or partition. ☺️👍
Looking forward to try Cosmic desktop environment.
I've tried 8 distros as a new user from windows and mac..I've come down between Mint & Zorin.
I'd rather have the latest ubuntu based packages rather than older (even though more stable) debian packages. I also want the latest kernel. So the ubuntu base makes more sense for me.
Why I won't use LMDE and don't want Mint team to ditch Ubuntu base? Two reasons: abysmal driver support and dusty old packages. Debain? hawk thuuu NO THANK YOU
What are the arguments for not making LMDE the flagship edition? Apparently Debian has a reputation for having old software in its repo (I've never used it myself) – is that the issue?
The reason that Linux Mint exist is because Canonical made some decisions that they didn't like and then they create an own distro and took the parts they like and abandon parts they don't like.
LMDE is great but have older packet and had no easy way to add newer packets before flatpak
Id like to see your take on Bazzite, as it seems to have taken over from Arch as the gaming linux distro
I ONLY use Mint. I hate the direction Ubuntu is going! 😒
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I think they will go heavier into the Debian version for 23 if Ubuntu keeps doing what it's doing.
i dont have matrix preinstalled on the 22 version
Personally, Mint is still based off of Ubuntu so they can move the Ubuntu users over to Mint.
Mint is great and I hope it helps new users of linux to have the stability of a daily driver and still deliver the customizability and awesomeness Linux has to offer as a whole.
Fragmentation, fragmentation, fragmentation – the core reason why I dropped Linux desktop in 2011 in favour of macOS, and have never looked back. If its not QT vs GTK, its something else, the list just goes on and on. I've been a Linux sys admin for 23 years, and my day to day is RHEL needless to say. But in terms of desktop, Linux based desktop OS's are all just competing against each other, and causing more and more fragmentation. People want desktops to "just work". I need Citrix Workspace, a terminal, Zoom, etc. for my day to day stuff, all good. macOS it blends perfectly, it's stable, aesthetically pleasing, and IMO secure. Sure I have to trust in Apple, but I'd rather trust in them than Microsoft. Also its a UNIX style OS, with roots in FreeBSD.
I don’t care about Politics and any infighting and all that jazz. All I know is that the distro is awesome and another home run for mint. The only real complaint I have is the dark mode on libreoffice. You can’t see some of the icons in the menu’s especially in the spreadsheet. You said they pay attention to detail….not there.
Hello. Yes, I'm a subscriber. I was a long time Mint user but my laptop died and so did my printer at the same time. I have a question for you and I know you might not know the answer. I have been looking for a linux compatible printer for over a year now and I have come up with NOTHING. So, do you happen to know if the new Mint is printer compatible ? If it is, which make and model of printer should I consider purchasing ?
I'm running 21.3, and I don't see any option to upgrade. Do I have to reinstall from scratch to go to 22?
Sadly, I can only use what distros that comes with my Risc-V SBC.
Oh no, they have to package a whole single user space application on their own!!
I've been disgruntled with he state of pop-*nix spaces a la yawntube for quite some time now but every once in a while I'd click on a video like this – for no particular reason, really -, just to find that there was yet another crumb of hope to lose..
But then again, the distribution model has proven to be utterly nonsensical time and time again, and the `community` of not so bright but terribly smug and annoying nerds with ass-burgers has proven to be the only gullible enough to eat up the 'community' ideological farts.
At any rate, ignoring all of the work and efforts put forward by paid engineers at Canonical and throwing a NANI because of a single package is probably even more hilarious than it is pathetic. Great one, mr learn linux tv, I feel very learned, hope you do too.
I do agree I think the Debian Edition should eventually take over. I'm sure too they are questioning doing all this work to make Ubuntu work for them. Even still driver support with Ubuntu is better… which is why I have it around on systems where I need drivers / driver support.
7:04 Or something you forgot to mention: The Flathub drama in Linuc Mint 22.
I'm sorry, I'm a new Linux user, I want to know what the snap packages and why they complain from it
Their only real choice is going to be to switch to Debian. That said I used 21 and it’s minor releases heavily before switching away to something a little more customisable, it was my first real Linux daily driving operating system and I can’t speak highly enough of it.
6:17 – 6:20 Oh gee, I wonder what that option is… 😂