Combining Biology and AI w/ Michael Levin and Dr. Leo Pio Lopez

It seems like there is a very strong analogy (as well as causality) between cancer cells and the host system experiencing principles of disconnect such as being stuck in anger, living in fear, ingesting chemically isolated components (which is a form of disconnect) such as white flour, white sugar, modified food starch, chemical isolates (Rudolf Steiner warned the world of humans about the dangers of chemically isolating molecular strands away from their original whole macro molecule he warned that this would result in problematic biological implications.)

This was really amazing, I wished there were more discussion of biological systems as computational networks, problem solving, developing strategies, etc. Would also like to hear their opinion on biological (computational) networks having "reasoning" abilities.

The Jews and brits married and combined after cromwell

Grammatical errors! How else to invite?

Fascinating comment about how fractured is the outwardly unified personality conjured by our human brain. I've noticed that my opinions and emotions can vary greatly at different moments, based on my activity level, sunlight or lack of, anticipation of rewards, & etc. For example, I might view a critical life choice favorably in the morning, then negatively, remorsefully even, in the afternoon.

I notice Micheal doesn't seem to understand locality. He says the larger systems controlling the smaller systems, and he says "sometimes" the smaller systems sometimes control the larger systems. That's actually pretty silly, because every time it's the smaller systems (even the curve or deviation in behavior of the larger action space occurs through the smaller variables), it's a basic fact about this universe (you must move over distance to have a effect, and it cost energy to cross that distance, therefore it's the sum of the little factors, and the synergistic small scale multipliers (sums in a specific direction) these parameters do ALL the work) a larger system is always defined by the smaller components behaviors and synergistic effect on each other (every time, full stop, end of story), this is even true in physics of space/time, mass sums and it's curvature on the actions space is proportional to the sum and vector direction of those parts (even the whole collective into a whole is mad from the sum of smaller scale coupling events). People tend to rationalize things as wholes, when in physical reality the reason the whole has it's unified behavior is because the parts give it that behavior (action must traverse the parts, the parts determine if a action will pass, therefore wholistically controlling the larger scale, every time). I can also prove it, anywhere where you think there is a larger scale-distance action occur to have a effect on a single behavior, I can show (with math) that it was the sum of the smaller parts, synergistically contributing to specific vectors of change (not larger scale controls the smaller scale, because that is 100% disinformation). Even in the very fabric of space time, it's the sum of little masses coming together to control and form the behavior of the whole. The whole point is about accuracy and training the mind to think more practically and diversly (which is also a small parameter, that will have large effects when one puts it in their mind [that 1 small variable can change your whole mind, which the fact that you can even form a small generalization to leverage large effect like that just proves the my point]), getting to actual ground truth requires one to be honest about the sum of small scale processes = the whole system. A system seems like a singular system, till you discover it's a sum of smaller components every time, and those effect must traverse distance in order to be scaled. It's a classification error that the mind has (the whole controls the smaller scale, when that whole is wholistically defined by smaller cumulative every time), not good for science, but it's efficient way of storing large effect into small variables (you replace the real description of the system with a simple generalization rather than a realization of what it actually is or is doing). This is actually one of the biggest errors destroying scientific discourse, people actually think there is magic sauce, you don't need magic sauce, just honesty. If the science community can correct this mentality, it will be less susceptible against confirmation bias and over fitting to generalities, real progress will be made (only requires people to say "yeah but HOW does the whole work"). Because ultimately, fields like psychology are poisoned with tons of pseudo science and false generalizations (not even correct generalizations) it's like a plague. It's always best to think in terms of sum of sub systems to explain the whole system. Just sit back and notice, lose the ego or narcissism for a sec, observe what a whole is and how it works, you always find that it's smaller systems doing the work. This never fails either, everytime is the smaller systems defining the large scale behavior.

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Levin on Karen Wong and her meaning code channel is good

I’m a life long learner, curious person. The ideas I’ve learned from Michael Levin have been the most fascinating, exciting ideas in my life.

Thanks for having him back and for introducing me to Dr Lopez.