AMD published a blog earlier this week where the company outlined some reasons why Zen 5 performance has not quite lined up with AMD’s own claims. Today Leo goes through that blog and tests Zen 5 on the latest Windows 24H2 update… read more here:
00:00 Intro
00:56 AMD’s blog earlier this week…
03:20 Memory and VBS details…
04:43 Admin mode?
05:26 AMD’s recommendations
06:41 Leo’s test setup
08:31 Far Cry 6
09:55 Cyberpunk 2077
11:36 Total War: Pharaoh
14:37 What have we learned?
Test systems:
CPU: AMD Ryzen 9000 and Ryzen 7000
Motherboard: MSI MEG X670E Ace
RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 C30
CPU: AMD Ryzen 5000, 3000 and 2000
Motherboard: Asus TUF Gaming X570-Plus
RAM: 32GB Corsair LPX DDR4-3600 C16 (DDR4-3200 for Ryzen 3000 and 2000)
CPU: Intel Core i7-14700K and i5-14600K
Motherboard: Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Master X
RAM: 32GB G.Skill Trident Z5 Neo RGB DDR5-6000 C30
Shared parts for all test systems:
Graphics: Gigabyte GeForce RTX 4080 Gaming OC 16GB
CPU cooler: Phanteks Glacier One 360D30
SSD: 1TB Crucial T700
Power Supply: Seasonic Prime GX-1600 ATX 3.0
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Thats a lot of testing for a few days Leo – thanks – I am not sold on any of these processors right now, waiting to see what Intel do in the next few months
Why is Microsoft enabling half of this stuff by default? seems utterly pointless to me
Windows – meh, what a nightmare all these stupid settings no one needs running over the top of the games killing performance
This has all been a great advertisement for Linux, no doubt about it
Seems as Leo said that the gains might be universal – even for Intel too
Some good gains ! cant wait for the update to roll out
AMD need to find INTEL who seem to handle their PR and marketing
AMD really have ruined their own launch by not explaining any of this and I have no idea why they would do that
X3d are gaming CPU's and should not be used as a comparison to other non 3'd flavor ones in gaming results. It is obvious the next 3DX will be the new champ, even if its not by that much. As long as it leads Intel 🙂
Look, just my opinion but AMD has been dodgy as far back as I can remember. The simple truth is – AMD cannot, never has and never will compete with Intel. NOT A FANBOY – just facts. Intel is just too mature, too well funded, too well equipped in manufacturing and research. It's just not going to happen.
I highly suspect (opinion) some fiddle plays into the "blame Intel" for Asus et al burning up silicone movement.
Thanks for the information I got my rig parts ready for build i will make sure I got that windows version is there any other setting that needs to be set on windows or some other program?
not raising my opinion of reviewers with the bad take on which games should be used but yes we know exactly why amd delayed the launch as they communicated on it, they had to change their validation binning tests and downgrade some cpus to the lower tier, one of the reasons 900k burn btw which you should also know, they sold 700k as 900k pretty much
Damn, what the hell happened with Total War: Pharaoh?? That's a huge performance uplift. Either their code HEAVILY depends on branching or something else is going on.
Totally useless video.
Amd is still better then Intel… has been for a number of years. It's highly unlikely Intel will recover from the 13 and 14th Gen screw up and then selling knowingly faulty and problem prone cpus.
Been with amd since k6, athlon,then to Intel, then back to amd for ryzen and will stay.
great video, it's clear that the windows update is doing something like you said, still think amd is totally to blame though for this poor launch and at worst their deceiving performance claims
How about you don’t test things like cp2077 with max ultra settings? Even at 1080p it means you’re almost entirely GPU-bound, and it’s also not realistic. No 1080p gamer is trying to play that game on ultra. So it’s both a bad test configuration, and also not relevant to how most people play. Do better.
what's with the hate on the old game benchmarks?
Why do games need to be popular played games for reviews?
the original Crysis wasn't popular game, but it stayed on benchmarks for at least a decade.
Since the update will also improve ZEN 4 performance, it's pretty much as you were.
Your tests show that AMD was right in their initial claims. The zen5 parts are better than the zen4 parts by about the 10-17% that AMD claimed, once you update Windows. A lot of the bad rap that AMD got for overstating the improvement is attributable to the version of Windows used by testers, rather than to the microprocessors themselves. This also explains why testers who used Linux showed better results for Zen5 than was shown by testers who used Windows. Thanks for doing this testing.
Can you test Ryzen gaming performance windows 10 vs windows 11 that are same issues in win10 also?
None of this makes sense. Something real shady is going on here.
1. How has AMD managed to launch 3 generations of Ryzen CPUs with hamstrung gaming performance in Windows? Is no one at AMD doing any performance tracing/analysis looking for low hanging fruit to improve gaming performance in Windows?
2. Why and how did AMD get Zen5 results on a patched version of Windows with improved gaming performance before Microsoft was made aware of this "bug" and issued a patch for it to improve gaming performance?
3. If AMD was aware of this performance deficit on 3 different generations of Ryzen CPUs, why did AMD only test this magical patched version of Windows on Zen5 and not Zen4?
I don't like the implications that any of this has. I have been slowly migrating to Manjaro Linux from Win10 over the last year because I am not ever going to put Win11 on my PC, and I'm glad I have started that process. I'm tired of Microsoft's walled garden BS, I don't trust Intel to not use Microsoft to sabotage AMD, and I am questioning AMD's competence and feel they should fire their entire marketing department and start over.
Would be interesting to test this CPU with Linux as those channels reckon it runs better than Windows.
Even in windows 11 that are not amd friendly they are made for Intel's big/small cores after all it is clear Zen 5 has better lows overall then even 7800x3d.And in workloads 9950x demolish everything in Linux i bet they would only be on par in windows vs zen4 and 14900k.