Maybe with the problematic stuff you should test with an ARC or an AMD GPU as well to see if there is an nVidia (heavy driver load) related issue on Win 11. Otherwise, something puts extra load on the CPU or the fancy new scheduling is not that great in action.
Windows 10 does less in the background, thus in games that have 1 to 2 threads with a very high workload and other threads with very little work. AMD and Intel will tend to boost some of the cores higher, but if there is more background activity, it is common for your 1-2 best cores to boost as high.
I'll be honest since a few months ago (around march) i had issues of severe micro stuttering … in some games it was barely noticeable and in others it was like 4 second freeze
Running memory integrity mode wasn't a function i had even heard of being able to run in windows 10 or 11 (not very fond of how stuff is laid out to more or less hide all the settings…) So it could have been the issue but for a 12 core am5 system just doesn't make sense how it should be that taxing… or mess with the gpu… all i know is when i did a fresh install of windows 11 it was still there… rolled back to windows 10… doesn't exist anymore
so…. not sure / all i know is i ran windows 11 perfectly fine for 9?? months i think and had zero issues with stuttering but once march rolled around (roughly the time i think the updates to start for windows recall) that was when my stuff started having issues
Nobody likes change I remember win 7 being released & then 8 (thin 8 got rid of the standard star menu) – since win 7 , windows has definitely "felt" different , more sluggish & when you look at the $h!t running in the background it makes sense why!! I literally pulled out my win10 USB stick & backed it up 2 days ago – Cannot stand win 11
I've noticed that bitlocker / whatever encryption home uses is on with win 11 by default and after telling a few friends to disable core isolation AND encryption that their performance was then above win 10 – did you make sure to check for and disable hard drive encryption?
Steve sorry to say this now but i hear that Windows 11 HAVE HARDWARE ACCELERATION FOR THE SOUND DEVICES ENABLE BY DEFAULT there is a way that you show what are difference are between this and windows 10 because maybe this option was on your testing
Good testing and test results. It would be really nice to know where the difference in performance came from where it occurred, so if you continue digging into things like resource usage, processes, limiting factors, etc and find it, please post another video with the update.
I don't need "7700X, 7800X3D, 12700K, 14700K" in the title. I needed to know this entire video was for the outdated 1080P and THAT'S what I need in the title. "1080P ONLY".
On Celeron N5100 Win11 is surprisingly much faster, especially if you're using VirtualGamepad (configurable on-screen controls software). Tested on clean latest images of both. Disclaimer: I hate both 10 and 11. Also 8.1 ftw!
They are basically the same. In real scenario,when playing you can't see a difference between this avg and low fps numbers,they so close to eachother and most of the time far from the common refresh rate of display to make differences
Something I hate about windows 11 is that it keeps corrupting its own system files, leading it to glitch more over time. SMART data on the hard drives is all good so this operating system is self destructive! Never had this problem with W10
There will be no difference except theme and layout. 😂😂😂 I have used w11 for like 1 year, its not good for me, unstable. W10 is "FLAWLESS" for gaming and everything else.
nah steve its not just about cpu but gpu on my 3060 laptop windows 11 performance was all over the place going bk to 10 improved my performance a lot games that could only hold 50 fps on 11 were now running 60fps plus
I can't say much about W10, but at least in comparison to W8.1, W11 is a bit of a nothing burger in terms of performance. Based on my own testing, I found that HAGS really kills performance in older games – turning it off helps, but not entirely (for example Mirror's Edge on a 1070: 326 fps average on W8.1, 203 fps on W11, 272 fps on W11 without HAGS). I have not yet considered core isolation, it might be another performance killer.
Excellent test. Now if the main explanation of Win11 being slower is bloat, would be awesome to test some method of debloating that is applicable to both?
win10 does not have HEVC h.265 video codec installed by default, its a paid dlc from microsoft, add-on to win10, on win11 its installed by default, included. yep hevc codec is 2usd by ms. also windows messes up with the 3d cache. scratch that, you turned the integrity management off. cyberpunk messes up things in win11. makes no sense, because win10 and win11 should be running the same core system components. mostly. ie you are doing barely anything else than letting the gpu display driver run the game. cpu messes things up it seems. microsoft win11 is full of bugs! thats the most obvious explanation. win11 having poor code.
One more reason to cling to Windows 10 like grim death for as long as possible. I would, however, be very interested in seeing what happens if you create a truly minimized Windows 11 install with someting like an automated install answer xml file that just doesn't install a huge chunk of all the shitty Microsoft bloatware in the first place.
I need a Linux Ubuntu comparison
Maybe with the problematic stuff you should test with an ARC or an AMD GPU as well to see if there is an nVidia (heavy driver load) related issue on Win 11.
Otherwise, something puts extra load on the CPU or the fancy new scheduling is not that great in action.
Thank you for these videos. Not all heroes wear a cape. W video.
Try windows Atlas!
Vista and 5800x3d is unrivalled
Windows 10 does less in the background, thus in games that have 1 to 2 threads with a very high workload and other threads with very little work. AMD and Intel will tend to boost some of the cores higher, but if there is more background activity, it is common for your 1-2 best cores to boost as high.
Nice. I’ve got a 7700x, 7800x3d, and a 12700 😀 Watching with earnest
So disabling memory integrity uses more cpu resources than enabling it?
check out a program called "shut up windows" and it'll turn off a lot of services if you want a quick and easy fix to all the junk in windows.
What people want to see right now is Windows 10 vs Windows 11 vs Linux.
I'll be honest since a few months ago (around march) i had issues of severe micro stuttering … in some games it was barely noticeable and in others it was like 4 second freeze
Running memory integrity mode wasn't a function i had even heard of being able to run in windows 10 or 11 (not very fond of how stuff is laid out to more or less hide all the settings…)
So it could have been the issue but for a 12 core am5 system just doesn't make sense how it should be that taxing… or mess with the gpu… all i know is when i did a fresh install of windows 11 it was still there… rolled back to windows 10… doesn't exist anymore
so…. not sure / all i know is i ran windows 11 perfectly fine for 9?? months i think and had zero issues with stuttering but once march rolled around (roughly the time i think the updates to start for windows recall) that was when my stuff started having issues
Nobody likes change I remember win 7 being released & then 8 (thin 8 got rid of the standard star menu) – since win 7 , windows has definitely "felt" different , more sluggish & when you look at the $h!t running in the background it makes sense why!! I literally pulled out my win10 USB stick & backed it up 2 days ago – Cannot stand win 11
I've noticed that bitlocker / whatever encryption home uses is on with win 11 by default and after telling a few friends to disable core isolation AND encryption that their performance was then above win 10 – did you make sure to check for and disable hard drive encryption?
Steve sorry to say this now but i hear that Windows 11 HAVE HARDWARE ACCELERATION FOR THE SOUND DEVICES ENABLE BY DEFAULT there is a way that you show what are difference are between this and windows 10 because maybe this option was on your testing
Good testing and test results. It would be really nice to know where the difference in performance came from where it occurred, so if you continue digging into things like resource usage, processes, limiting factors, etc and find it, please post another video with the update.
Win11 is Win10 with even more bloat. I can't even understand how can you use Win11 as is without debloating it – it's a mess.
I don't need "7700X, 7800X3D, 12700K, 14700K" in the title. I needed to know this entire video was for the outdated 1080P and THAT'S what I need in the title. "1080P ONLY".
What about graphics cards benchmarks or did i miss something?
Weird….. Will happens with Ryzen 7 5800X3D?…
with intel big little architecture you will definitelly struggle on win10. also end of support for windows 10 is 2025. so choice is obvious
On Celeron N5100 Win11 is surprisingly much faster, especially if you're using VirtualGamepad (configurable on-screen controls software). Tested on clean latest images of both.
Disclaimer: I hate both 10 and 11. Also 8.1 ftw!
Long story short, pass on Win11 and wait for Win12 before deciding what to do after W10
They are basically the same. In real scenario,when playing you can't see a difference between this avg and low fps numbers,they so close to eachother and most of the time far from the common refresh rate of display to make differences
It would be great if you also did linux benchmarks…
Figured with the amount of dev time W11 has had, it would in fact be slightly faster than its predecessor. Should have known better.
Something I hate about windows 11 is that it keeps corrupting its own system files, leading it to glitch more over time. SMART data on the hard drives is all good so this operating system is self destructive!
Never had this problem with W10
Interesting. Windows 11 may be a bit slower but if you're on the internet, Windows 11 is the better option of the two since it has improved security.
windows 10 or windows 11 … Linux! 😂
i hope anytime a creator uses too linux for gaming everytime only window is a bit boring 😀
There will be no difference except theme and layout. 😂😂😂
I have used w11 for like 1 year, its not good for me, unstable. W10 is "FLAWLESS" for gaming and everything else.
These guys have nothing to do until Nvidia releases their new GPU's.
Does it make sense to test the GPU performance too (ie at 4k?). Maybe that's what's different
nah steve its not just about cpu but gpu on my 3060 laptop windows 11 performance was all over the place going bk to 10 improved my performance a lot games that could only hold 50 fps on 11 were now running 60fps plus
One day we'll get Linux comparisons. Haven't touched windows in over 6months now, still play all my games I'm happy
Will gaming be improved if you disable e-cores?
I can't say much about W10, but at least in comparison to W8.1, W11 is a bit of a nothing burger in terms of performance. Based on my own testing, I found that HAGS really kills performance in older games – turning it off helps, but not entirely (for example Mirror's Edge on a 1070: 326 fps average on W8.1, 203 fps on W11, 272 fps on W11 without HAGS). I have not yet considered core isolation, it might be another performance killer.
you should test with amd card on amd cpu to see if it improves. as i did noted 10-20% boost
Excellent test. Now if the main explanation of Win11 being slower is bloat, would be awesome to test some method of debloating that is applicable to both?
Would love to see a stock Win10 vs debloated Win11 (via that popular powershell GitHub app)
Now add arch linux something , just for fun
Remember w11 has the best HDR experience.
win10 does not have HEVC h.265 video codec installed by default, its a paid dlc from microsoft, add-on to win10, on win11 its installed by default, included. yep hevc codec is 2usd by ms. also windows messes up with the 3d cache. scratch that, you turned the integrity management off. cyberpunk messes up things in win11. makes no sense, because win10 and win11 should be running the same core system components. mostly. ie you are doing barely anything else than letting the gpu display driver run the game. cpu messes things up it seems. microsoft win11 is full of bugs! thats the most obvious explanation. win11 having poor code.
Every version of windows is more bloated than the last, obviously w11 is slower. it's shite
One more reason to cling to Windows 10 like grim death for as long as possible. I would, however, be very interested in seeing what happens if you create a truly minimized Windows 11 install with someting like an automated install answer xml file that just doesn't install a huge chunk of all the shitty Microsoft bloatware in the first place.
TPM 2.0 still enabled on windows 10?
Would love to see a comparison between windows 11 and tiny 11 to see if all the excess bloat does in fact make a difference
Itd be interesting to throw Linux in for the next one as compatibility and performace is pretty impressive these days
Thanks